AGS Seed Exchange: Seed Exchange 2013
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Have submitted my order, thanks to everyone involved in the seed exchange.
Done mine too, great system and I love the links to google, saves me wrestling with piles of books
Got my order sorted in about 90 minutes. The site is a joy to use, very quick and the 'Google' links are very helpful if you're not sure on a particular plant. Many thanks to all who have worked on the exchange, not to forget the many contributors.
Hear, hear! A superb system - so much easier than poring over a paper list. Many thanks also to all those involved. Access to so many images via Google is a real revelation - just how the Internet can really score (though one still needs to be careful in finding true representatives of some genera like Pulsatilla!).
I would like to add my thanks to all who make this such an easy process to use. I have just completed my order and look forward to receiving my seeds.
Thanks for all the comments and a big thanks to Jim for his work on the website
Diane Clement AGS Director of Seed
Is there no way to download and print off the current list for perusal..?
June, it is possible to download or print the seed list from this page:
many thanks to you and your team! Ordering on-line seems to get smoother each year! I remember the first time I had to keep logging-in because moving between pages meant that I'd find I was no longer logged on - now the system takes it in its stride.
Too many good plants to choose between as always and some new ones to try and some stand-bys,
Thanks Fermi, glad you like the system and the list
as you know, I also belong to SRGC and NARGS both of whom also offer an on-line system. All three are different and I think each has benefits and quirks. I'm very glad that the ordering times are staggered between the 3 Groups - how fortuitous (or very well co-ordinated),
I just finished sending off my seed request (there are so many great choices!) and I love the fact that the system remembers where I was at in between sessions. Before sending I double-checked my choices against the restricted list for the U.S. on the NARGS site. So I was surprised when I was just now reviewing your information for foreign participants to see the statement "USDA regulations do not permit the importation into the USA of any parasitic species, any species of the genus Lathyrus (without treatment which we cannot fulfil), nor any member of the families Berberidaceae, Rutaceae or Poaceae." I immediately went to the latest APHIS summary that I found on the web (http://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/permits/downloads/seedweb.pdf) and I don't see anything there about prohibiting the family Berberidaceae. On the NARGS link to APHIS I do see lots of restrictions on the genus Berberis and similar, but not the whole family. In particular I was requesting Ranzania and I didn't see any listed restriction on that genus.
John, on page 178 of the USDA /APHIS document "Plants for Planting" it is stated that while various types of propagules of Berberis are listed as restricted, this is not extended to seed of these plants. There is no mention whatsoever of Ranzania.
In fact for a great many of the species which have some restriction on the import of plants, cuttings etc, there is no such restriction on seed on these plants.
The APHIS listings are not the clearest to wade through and there has been some confusion in the list on the NARGS site too, which, for instance, showed that Rhododendron seed is prohibited - this is not the case and the NARGS list is being amended.
Hope this helps,
Thanks Maggi, that was my reading of the rules as well. It's a bit much to expect everyone else to become an expert on the U.S. restrictions but the text I quoted is from the AGS website 'Introduction and General Information' and I believe it's incorrect (I hope so anyway). As you said that statement does not apply to small lots of seeds.
Just wish everything on line was so straight forward ----- just 1 st Class
John and Maggi, thanks for your comments on the US regulations. It is a very complex system which seems to frequently change in the detail of which species are banned. A few years ago there were more bans on whole families whereas now it seems the ban tends to be on genera or just species. There was wording on one of our pages which was incorrectly stating "Berberidaceae" were all banned. Sorry for that error and I have now changed it to read "Berberis and Mahonia". The database for US members ordering online was actually correct for them at the point of ordering, so Ranzania and Podophyllum were allowed. Sorry for any any confusion.
I got the seedlist today and have already made my choises. Exelent way to do it. Thanks to all involved
Diane, the regulations of most countries are written in such a way as to be best deciphered by GCHQ as far as I can see - and that's not accounting for rapid changes in their forbidden plants. These difficulties are just another facet of the Seed Exchanges of the likes of AGS, SRGC, NARGS, NZAGS and so on may be little realised by most members. I consider - and I venture to suggest I am not alone in this - that your job and that of your Seed Team in coping with such difficulties is an enormous task and one which deserves the highest praise and appreciation.
Thanks, Maggi and John, nice to know the work of all the volunteers is appreciated.
I've had concerns raised that the paper-lists (for those who don't use the internet - yes, some members are still "off-line") haven't arrived yet here in Oz. Have others received theirs yet? I believe they were being sent with The Alpine Gardener. Do we know when they were posted?
Their concern is that they'll miss out altogether if the Journal doesn't arrive till the New Year!
Seeds received today only 2 weeks after ordering online - fantastic service and I got most of my first choices - thanks to all the team.
Seed also arrived today - good time for Christmas! My most grateful thanks and seasonal good wishes to all the seed team.
Just like to say a big thank you to everyone involved in the seed exchange.
Its the first time I have ordered and I found the whole system very easy and efficient.
The link to Google was a great help to me as I am new to the 'Alpine World'
Thank you again ........
Just in case you're wondering why people volunteer to get up early, drive for an hour and a half, stand all day picking seed packets out of racks, checking orders, putting seed packets in envelopes and sealing them, driving for an hour and a half and getting home after dark............here's why :-)
Many thanks to the donors and those who have organised the seed exchange - the online software is excellent - I shop extensively online and this is the BEST online ordering system I have used - being able to see the progress of the order as you choose seeds is great and the links so that you can see photographs of the plants online is a brilliant idea - thank you Brian
and there was I think we had good cake the day before!
I think it would be good if the software was updated to give the option to use the second choices to become the list for surplus seed. This would save having to re enter a great many numbers and given the high quality of the software I would imagine this would be relatively easy to do.
I recieved my seeds today, I just wanted to say thankyou to everybody involved in the scheme, inparticular to the volunteer packers and sorters, it must have been an ordeal to deal with such lovely looking cake.!
Wish Iived nearer to help.
I also have received my seeds, mostly from my first choice. I am very pleased and would like to say a big thankyou to everyone who makes the AGS seed distribution such a success.
Thank you again and Merry Christmas to everyone.
Helen, you should have looked in the fridge. That cake photo was taken on Tuesday and half was still there on Friday morning.....it isn't now :-)))
No hassels. Easy . Submitted order . REALLY GREAT.
THANKS and a Happy Xmass from New Zealand.
It is hot and humid here
Seeds arrived this morning, this gonna be a busy week end and the first batch of sowing.
Many thanks to the team!
The online system works exelent. Seeds arrived just before christmas. All is sown now.
Can anyone tell me exactly what the term 'aff' means?. I have seen it now and then in AGS seedlists and other seedlists.
From Henning Fjordvald.
There are two main abbreviations that when applied to plant names denote that the true identity is uncertain.
aff. is from the Latin affinis, meaning, 'related to' - and cf. from confer, 'compare' seems mostly to be used for an even more uncertain relationship - so we can tell that a plant so described bears some likeness and relationship to the stated plant, but may not aggree in all aspects with the official description of that plant.
|aff.||Akin to or bordering|
The above meanings are taken from Stearn, W.T. (1972). 'Botanical Latin' (David & Charles: Newton Abbot).
Hope this helps you.
AGS seeds have started arriving in Australia! Ours arrived in Redesdale today and a friend in Macedon got hers yesterday.
Thanks to all the hard working volunteers in getting the seeds out to us in the Antipodes! Much too hot at present to do any sowing!
Hi Fermi, Thanks for letting us know that orders have reached Australia. I am still in the process of doing the remaining the paperwork for Australian, New Zealand and US orders, so not all have been posted out yet, but should be very soon.
60% of my ags seeds are germinating only 8-10 days after sowing.
i got them fresh!
Great news, Yann! Nice to have your feedback.
Diane is it possible to get the xls/flat file of the seeds list?
I'm not talking about airports or boats! It appears that government cutbacks or "efficiencies" have led to "simplification" of the inspection of seeds - if the inspector can't find the name on the list then that packet of seed will be destroyed! No second chances and no ability to explain that there is a synonym under which it is allowed or that the inspector didn't look far enough down the list to see that the seed was listed out of sequence! The Sydney facility in fact is likely to reject any seed packets that aren't individually labelled.
Once again it has raised the prospect of getting the seed packets labelled with the full botanical name for seeds sent to Australia, but I wonder how possible that will be! These problems are not the making of the AGS but of our government, but they will affect us as the recipients.
Fermi, on a slightly different tack I've had contact with one Australian member disappointed at very poor germination from last year's seed. He suspects they are being irradiated on entry to kill harmful organisms. Is there any truth in this or is it just urban myth?
Fermi, if the problem has occurred because the AQIS list is not in alphabetical order and doesn't have synonyms, I'm not sure how labelling the packets would help that aspect?
We used to label all the US packets with names and it was a massive extra job for me and other volunteers, sticking labels on thousands of packets. For the Australian and NZ orders, years ago we used to include the handwritten list from the members, then we were told that wasn't official enough, so moved on to including the whole seed list but that wasn't liked as the officers had to wade through it to find the numbers. We now just include the printed list of the actual seed enclosed and I had thought this was acceptable. Of those Aussie members who have contacted me this year, I hadn't heard of any problems so far.
This was the suggestion made by the AQIS inspector who spoke to Jon Ballard, one of our members (he's now mentioned it on the SRGC forum as it was actually his SRGC seed which was intercepted) - meaning that all the seed should really have been destroyed because it wasn't labelled! I think it was a defensive position taken because they were actually at fault in this case.
The problem is that if we push them because of this "crackdown" they may take the defence that all the seed packets must be individually labelled and it's a fight we'll be engaged in for a while.